Why Do So Many Sensitive People Doubt Themselves? — With Kitty Woud

Why is it that the most sensitive, intuitive people often struggle the most with self-doubt?

In this deeply thoughtful episode of Soul Sync, Jason sits down with respected medium and teacher Kitty Woud, who taught at Arthur Findlay College for 18 years and has dedicated much of her life to helping others unfold their mediumship and spiritual potential.

Together, they explore why sensitivity can feel both like a gift and a burden — and why so many deeply feeling people spend years questioning themselves, seeking approval, and trying to shrink to fit into the world around them.

Kitty shares her extraordinary early encounters with spirit, the profound role meditation has played in her life, and why the real journey of mediumship is not simply about connecting with spirit — but learning to truly know, trust and accept yourself.

This conversation goes far beyond mediumship.

It’s about self-worth.
It’s about healing.
And ultimately, it’s about learning to stop abandoning yourself.

What you’ll hear

• Why sensitive people often struggle with self-doubt
• Why mediumship exposes your deepest insecurities
• How meditation strengthens both mental health and spiritual connection
• Why self-acceptance is essential for spiritual growth
• Kitty’s extraordinary childhood encounters with spirit
• Why spirit does not require perfection — only sincerity
• How to stop living for other people’s approval

Who this episode is for

This episode is for you if you:

• Feel deeply and absorb other people’s emotions
• Struggle with self-doubt or overthinking
• Are developing spiritually or mediumistically
• Want to trust yourself more
• Are tired of shrinking to keep others comfortable

To find out more about Kitty, Kitty's website is - https://kittywoud.com/about-kitty-woud/

Gentle note

If this episode brings up difficult emotions, please be gentle with yourself. Growth and healing rarely happen through self-criticism — they happen through awareness, compassion and truth.

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Transcript

— Intro: Why sensitive people doubt themselves

Charlie Kelly Medium 0:12

Hello to you, my lovely listener. It's me, Jason Paul, and you're here in the Soul Sync. Now, I've been out of business for the last 10 days because just before I went on a holiday, um, which I got back from three days ago with my mum and brother to uh Cannes in the south of France, I was uh producing this very episode and then my computer overheated and I didn't manage to uh get it released at all. Um, you could say my uh computer, the soul sink was too hot to handle. Um, so my cousin had to come up, do loads of repairs on my computer to put me back in the world again. So I am so appreciative of this computer, this keyboard, this mouse, this microphone, because I've been without it for two weeks. Now, this episode today is all about sensitivity. And I want to ask you have you ever just felt like you're too sensitive? Maybe you feel everything deeply. You walk into a room and instantly you pick up on the tension, you absorb other people's emotions and you notice what others miss. That's exactly how I feel a lot of the time. And yet, despite all of that sensitivity, despite all of that awareness, you still doubt yourself. I still doubt myself at times. Why is that? Why do so many deeply sensitive, intuitive people struggle to trust their own inner voice? Now, I've seen this all too much in mediumship, my darlings, but honestly, I feel this applies to life as a whole. Because often people with the strongest intuition are the ones questioning themselves the most. And especially at the start of one's journey. I know in mediumship, how many times um have we all asked ourselves, is this me? Is it my imagination? Is it the spirit world? And I know this all too much personally. I spent huge parts of my life worrying about what other people think, second guessing myself, wondering if I'm good enough, spiritual enough, and indeed capable enough. And what mediumship has taught me is something profound. The biggest block isn't usually spirit, it isn't usually lack of ability, it's fear, it's self-doubt, it's the need for approval. So, in today's conversation, I'm joined by a wonderful medium called Kitty Wood. Um, an incredibly respected medium, I do have to say, who's been teaching for over 18 years. Now, Kitty and I explore why sensitive people doubt themselves, why mediumship brings every insecurity to the surface, and why true development is really about learning to accept yourself exactly as you are. This is a beautiful conversation about self-worth, trust, and remembering that you do not need to become someone else to fulfill your purpose. You need to become more fully yourself. So let's get into this. This is my conversation with the lovely Kitty Wood.

— Welcoming Kitty Woud

Charlie Kelly Medium 3:45

It's lovely to have you on.

SPEAKER_00 3:46

Well, thank you, Jace, and thank you for uh inviting me.

Charlie Kelly Medium 3:50

Well, it's lovely to have you. And firstly, for people listening, you are a medium amongst many other things, and you teach mediumship, and you have done for a very long time.

SPEAKER_00 4:01

Yes, that's right. Yeah. I worked at the Arthur Finti College for 18 years, and before that, I also worked in my own country. I still work in my own country as a medium and a teacher, and I also work abroad where I'm invited. So, yes, it's my life, it's my passion, and I've been at it for a very long time. Yeah.

Charlie Kelly Medium 4:23

Well, I guess, first of all, in in terms of the Netherlands, it seems to me to be a very open-minded country in a lot of ways, because it mediumship seems to be. I don't know if it's a it if it's my observations, but there seems to be a lot of mediums who seem to come to teaching environments from the Netherlands. So, what's going on there?

SPEAKER_00 4:42

Well, I don't know. You see, the Netherlands is a very small country, and for years there has been an overkill when it comes to teaching mediumship, and that's what we still see. So that makes it really hard to build anything worthwhile because you know, workshops are diluted when it comes to students because there is such a lot on offer, and that makes it really hard.

Charlie Kelly Medium 5:07

Times have changed in a lot of regards because as we were saying before we came on to record, the way people is very accessible now, isn't it? And that isn't necessarily a good thing, is it?

SPEAKER_00 5:20

Well, I don't know. It's it's becoming well known and and it's more open to a wider public now. Sometimes you see television mediums, and I do think they serve a purpose because it is taking something away, you know, that mediumship is sinister or that it is all that all mediums are fraught. So in that respect, I think it is good that a larger audience is becoming familiar, more familiar with what mediumship really is. But I think we should really bring it back to the the true heart and soul of it, you know, the the purity of mediumship and not not so much see it as a source of income, really.

Charlie Kelly Medium 6:02

I think that's the wrong morals to go into it from the start from the very start. And to me, as soon as you say that, it makes me smile because I think I couldn't think of

— Kitty’s childhood encounters with spirit

Charlie Kelly Medium 6:10

a more stressful career to go into initially as doing full-time readings. I get so worked up before a reading. Uh well, not not so much anymore, but you know, there's easier vocations to to chase than that of mediumship. But a lot of people do, and you hear it, that you know, they go into these kind of training environments, these workshops, and then you know, expect and to be honest with you, after a week, you know, even when I first did it, I I thought I was gonna be a medium uh, you know, after a week in a lot of regards, but that was because it came to me so easily the first time I did it. The second time it didn't come to me so easily at all.

SPEAKER_00 6:46

Yeah, yeah, of course. But you see, I think that mediumship is a wonderful process, it is something that should be treated with reverence and with respect. It brings us so much in terms of healing, guidance, comfort, knowing that your loved one is still around and that there you will one one day you will be reunited with them. So I think it's it's really uh valuable, but it should be treated in the the proper way and not seen as a source of entertainment, really. And sometimes that is what it is turning into, unfortunately.

Charlie Kelly Medium 7:22

You first saw your your first interactions with the spirit world was when you were very young, I believe. Can you tell us about that? Because it that that seemed to pave the way for a lot of what everything that followed for you, hasn't it?

SPEAKER_00 7:35

Absolutely, absolutely. When I was four years old, I became aware of spirit, and you know it it happened in a very subtle way. They they just simply slicked into my awareness. I started seeing them and mainly hearing them. And I had an Alsatian dog, a spirit dog, who used to follow me around the house and would sit by my bedside at night, and I didn't think much of it. I thought it was very okay and normal. And uh at first I didn't understand that other people didn't have these experiences, so it was a natural thing for me. And when I was 10 years old, I read an editorial in the newspaper, and yes, I was very young, I was a very nosy child. So at 10 years old, I used to read the newspapers, and then I came across this editorial on mediumship, and I was so excited about it that I went to my parents and I said, You've got to read this. This is so wonderful, this is the truth, but of course, they dismissed it, unfortunately. But it it still left me with this conviction, this firm conviction that yes, there is life after death, yes, we do live on, and communication is possible. And it has never left me really. When I was 16, I had a rather dramatic encounter with a spirit person in my own bedroom, and that was totally different from what I had experienced so far when I was younger. But when I was 16, I suddenly I just stepped into my bed, turned off the bedside lamp, and uh I heard a loud crash in the room, and that was really frightening. So I switched on my light again. Yeah, yeah, it was frightening, and but nothing was had fallen over, so I couldn't work out what had happened. But finally I switched off my bedside lamp, and as soon as I had done that, there was this bright, uh almost blinding light in my room, and I could look into it because it was like three-dimensional, you know, it had depth to it, depth to it, and I saw this man sitting there in the lotus position, with yeah, I know it sounds like a fairy tale, but I'm telling you the truth. He had a white turban with a blue gemstone, and he only wore a loincloth, and he was holding a lit torch and a scroll in both his hands. And I wasn't frightened then because it was so beautiful, and I was really, you know, I really wanted to know what was happening because I had, as I said before, I was very nosy, and I was convinced he was going to say something to me, and then it all vanished into thin air. You know, the room was black again, and it had all disappeared. But of course, it left a profound uh impression on me. I told my parents, but they they said, Oh, you just had a bad dream, you know, while I was wide awake. So that really gave me the conviction, yes, there is more to life than just the physical world and what we can see with our own eyes. Uh, but that really made a great impact on me.

unknown 10:49

Yeah.

Charlie Kelly Medium 10:50

Well, you you'd think these sorts of stories sound crazy, but not here on the soul sink, they don't. Uh a lot of them. But I guess those experiences happening to you as a child and your parents' reaction, you know, it must have left you with a lot of questions and about life and about you know what what life is all about. What did you do from there and how did it unfold? Sort of you've got your parents telling you one thing it's a bad dream. You've got you having experiences over here.

SPEAKER_00 11:21

Yeah, well, you see, one of my aunts had books about the paranormal, and I discovered them in her bookcase.

Charlie Kelly Medium 11:28

And I bet those were the sort of books you weren't meant to be picking up Kitty as a child. Those are exactly the bookshelf you weren't meant to be.

SPEAKER_00 11:34

I would go to my aunt at regular times to just sit at the table there and and read those books because I was fascinated, I was spellbound, and my aunt, you know, she became a bit concerned and she said, Are you sure your parents are okay with this? But I said, Oh yes, yes, of course, because I was so hungry and uh for knowledge, and and I I just left it all up, you see, and I I I was completely spellbound by it. So at the age of 18, I went to a spiritualist meeting, a gathering where a medium was working, and she gave me a message for my grandmother, and everything she told me was correct, you know, even certain things that I had forgotten about. So that to me really nailed it, and I thought, right, this is something that I need to explore further. And it was so strong, this this desire to know and to learn that I just couldn't ignore or deny it. You know, I just had to follow it, and that's what I did. That's what I did.

Charlie Kelly Medium 12:38

Yeah, kind of makes me f feel, as you were saying that, a lot about my own journey, which is I just couldn't leave mediumship alone because I thought, well, what fun when I finally had proof, I finally thought, yes, okay, I understand that the spirit world is real. Then I thought, well, what does that mean for life then? You know, and I I I felt like I yes, okay, I'd got some questions answered, but I'd more questions than answers, and I think I still have now the more I've gone along. So you you decided you accepted it at that kind of teenage years, and you know, from what I understand, you were sort of, you know, reading mediumship books and spiritualism books kind of obsessively, you know, it sounds like yes, it was like you know, it was uh uh obsessive because I was drawn to those things like a magnet.

SPEAKER_00 13:25

I just couldn't let go of it. I had to explore it, and it just resonated with me. And and at the age of 18, I I decided to go to a meditation center and to learn about meditation. So that was my next step. Visiting spiritualist centers, uh seeing mediums, learning about mediumship, and also starting my journey into meditation.

Charlie Kelly Medium 13:50

So that's what was it med about meditation that was drawing you towards that at that time?

SPEAKER_00 13:56

Well, meditation is really something that you know you could say it's a a system designed to look into the self, to get to know the true you, who you really are, not who you think you are. And I saw a documentary on TV about transcendental meditation, TM, and I I just felt that this was the right thing to explore. This was for me. So that's why I visited the

— Meditation and the inner journey

SPEAKER_00 14:20

center, and after some lessons, I was initiated with a beautiful Hindu ritual in the art of meditation, you know, and that's that opened up a whole new world for me because you you start to explore your inner world, and of course, we all live in the outer world, but we all also have an inner world, and meditation helps to balance the two worlds and to integrate them into one another. And uh, I've never stopped meditating from the age of 18. I no longer do transcendental meditation, TM, because as you go along and and you know you you uh become more experienced, there comes a time that you feel that you need to explore different methods. But in the end, all methods come full circle, they they all lead you towards a greater understanding of the self.

Charlie Kelly Medium 15:12

There's so many different methods as well. It's and I think a lot of the time people look at meditation and at the beginning go, oh no, it's you know, it's not working, I can't sit there, I can't quite my mind, it's not happening. But it might just be it's the wrong type of meditation because actually I find guided meditations now to be quite distracting and annoying, actually, unless it's just the right levels and someone's done a really good one, and it's you know, but I think I'd rather silence now. But you do evolve, don't you? And I think that's yes that's part of the journey.

SPEAKER_00 15:45

Oh, yes, it is, and you really have to learn how to meditate. You know, you need a teacher who shows you the way. Guided meditations, the ones you mentioned, are very good for beginners. Actually, it's a form of contemplation. In meditation, you need a focal point for your mind to concentrate on. Because if you don't have that, your mind will be all over the place.

Charlie Kelly Medium 16:08

And that's not it will, yes, it'll be coming up. What I want to cook for dinner tomorrow, today, yesterday, what's Gary got you there? You it's a nightmare at the start for people.

SPEAKER_00 16:16

That's because you miss a focal point, but concentration on a focus uh empties the mind. And if you can still your mind, those periods will lengthen, and then you will learn how to properly meditate.

Charlie Kelly Medium 16:30

You see, and it takes time, it's it's like a retraining, like anything, like a muscle. If you go to the gym, you've got to, you know, work with it. And it even, you know, at the very beginning, I think just even just five minutes, you know, for someone is is enough. Just at the beginning, I think a lot of us we think, okay, we're gonna start trying to meditate. We sit there for 20 minutes and think this is a this is a nightmare, it's not happening. But it might just be you're you're spending you know too long at the beginning. But it definitely helps you. When uh how else can you look at the self really in detail without sitting quietly? Because we're so busy in our day-to-day lives, aren't we?

SPEAKER_00 17:09

We are, yes. But what you also need to practice, if you really want to get to know who you really are and what your purpose in life is, is to practice self-reflection and introspection and observe how you live your life, how you interact with others, and what your real intents and purposes are, you see. So you you need to just look at that and and look at yourself with honesty and integrity. So that also means embracing the the darker parts, the shadow side of yourself, and that is something we all have, but you learn so much from that, and there may be moments when you do that that you don't really like yourself because you come across certain character traits that maybe are not that pleasant, but then you have the opportunity to change that and to work on yourself, and that is not only uh extremely valuable in terms of your own life, the the life that you live in in this world, but also uh with regards to your mediumship. You see, if you learn to to understand yourself and why you are the way you are, your your makeup, then uh you know you can also if you become aware of who you are and what you are, then you can change the things you don't like about yourself or that you feel need changing. You see, and and and that is that is yeah, it makes you a whole person, it makes you complete in a way.

Charlie Kelly Medium 18:39

Yes, because a lot of the work in developing and unfolding one's mediumship is a journey of working on oneself. It's yes, you know, I found it to be that, and I've you know, it's unveiled I I was gonna say it's unveiled things in me I didn't realise about myself, but it's probably no, I was aware of things, but it's put much more of a spotlight on them, and maybe you know, once upon a time I was willing to not look at these things. Now I am, you know, as a step one acknowledgement and being honest with oneself.

SPEAKER_00 19:15

Yes, and what you can acknowledge, you can uh change, you see, so that is important. So one of the lessons I learned, you know, when I practice self self-reflection is self-acceptance, and that is so important. I think that a lot of people are not aware that they do not accept themselves as they really are, and then the realization that you are absolutely perfectly all right the way you are, you don't have to be different in order to fit in. You don't you can just be yourself because you were created in a particular way. I mean, it was Andrew Jackson Davis who said every human being is a thought in the

— Self-acceptance and why sensitivity is a gift

SPEAKER_00 20:00

mind of God, and I really like that. You know, it it it says that you were created with a certain intention. So if you ask yourself, why am I like this and not like the rest of us, or it just means that you were created in that way for a particular purpose, and that you are already perfect as you are, is exactly.

Charlie Kelly Medium 20:24

You know, you might be listening to this podcast right now, you know, thinking, Oh, you know, I'm so sensitive, you know, people I absorb the energy of others, it's a nightmare, it's a nightmare, and it, you know, it's difficult, but we're all the way we are for a reason, and I think, and I know even myself, so much in my life I've been trying to be more this or more that, or I want to be this, or I want to be that. You know, you can even think about it as weight, you know, the amount of times I've put on weight, and then I'm being kind of self-loathing and directing hate because I've eaten too much, and you know, we treat ourselves horribly, you know, this at times as human beings, you know, no one will ever talk as badly to yourself as you know, your own self at times, I think. Yes, and you know, it it takes a lot of people a long time to even love their their self, and that's such a shame.

SPEAKER_00 21:18

Yeah, it is, and mediumship sensitizes you very much if you start practicing it and developing it. Meditation also, in a way, sensitizes your mediumship, but what it also does, on the other hand, is that it, and this is you know, being scientifically proven by researchers, that meditation really is all about minimizing the impact of suffering. So it reduces levels of anxiety. So, as a medium who is sensitive and dealing with the inner and the outer world, and how to, you know, to to incorporate that in your your life, meditation can be such a wonderful aid to to Balance yourself to heal body and mind. It was White Eagle, the spirit control of Grace Cook, who said that meditation is a formula for health. And that is exactly what it is because it has so many wonderful benefits. Physically, you know, it lowers your heart rate, uh, your blood pressure, uh, mentally, it reduces stress hormones, anxiety levels. So there are many, many benefits, and that is very helpful. That system is that spiritual discipline is so helpful to mediums. And I think you should really consider, every medium should consider choosing a spiritual discipline that can act as the the foundation, not just for your life, but also for your mediumship.

Charlie Kelly Medium 22:47

I believe you can, and there's been so much emerging research that's been done in this, but I think this is all things that we knew anyway about the power of how people can heal themselves. And you know, that could even with meditation, that can start with mental health. But I believe the power we have within us to heal ourselves of so many things to prevent disease in the first place. You know, I often think to myself, if more the population did five to ten minutes of meditation a day, what would the health landscape look like out there? And I think it would be very, very different. And I feel we're really starting to wake up to this. But you know, this is all stuff in eastern medicine that's been known for since the test of time, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 23:29

Absolutely, absolutely, yeah, yeah.

Charlie Kelly Medium 23:32

So coming on to because I know you know so much of your purpose of your work is about healing at soul level. Yes. And a lot of people, first of all, are going to be thinking, well, what the what does healing at soul level actually mean and feel like? What does that look like?

SPEAKER_00 23:48

Well, um, you know, I wondered for for some years at the beginning of my development why I so much wanted to be a medium, why I was so obsessive about it, and why I was drawn to it like a magnet. So I spent some time reflecting on it and I came to the conclusion that I have this strong inner need, a compelling need to heal people at soul level, at the deepest possible level, to give them that which they need the most. And that can be anything, of course. It can be comfort, it can be guidance or or healing. But that was my conclusion, and that felt right to me, you know, and it it felt

— Healing at soul level

SPEAKER_00 24:30

like a right motivation to continue with my development.

Charlie Kelly Medium 24:35

Well, you left um a teaching career, which is a huge leap, isn't it? To leave a stable career as an English teacher, even to take that leap of faith into it for full-time.

SPEAKER_00 24:46

Yeah, and people didn't understand that I was leaving a well-paid job and that I chose something that they didn't understand that they thought was rather spooky and sinister.

SPEAKER_01 24:56

Um you're leaving a teaching career to do what to connect with who to talk to the dead. Yes, I can imagine it now.

SPEAKER_00 25:06

Yeah, yeah, and and of course, people didn't understand and they thought I had lost my mind. And and that's okay with me. Uh, somebody even said to my husband when my husband said that I was a medium, he said, Well, I know a very good psychiatrist that can help your wife. So, yes, you you are all sorts of things, but you see, with mediums, you are either put on a pedestal and revered or you are despised. There's no in-between way. So I've learned to deal with those uh reactions and comments, people who think that you are away with the fairies, or you know, that you are in league with Satan, even. I have some family members who are very uh very orthodox in their religion, and they warned me about it. And they said, you know, Satan will uh snatch your soul. Yeah.

Charlie Kelly Medium 25:58

But you have to have quite a thick skin to be a medium because I don't go around shouting from the roof topic. I say that, I've got a podcast that I'm sitting here doing, but I don't go round in my normal world, you know, in the world of I don't know, call it the muggle, shouting that I'm a medium, because uh you have to have quite thick skin, and that, you know, I know has been just part of your experience of just being not just in the outside world, but also in the world of mediumship with other mediums.

SPEAKER_00 26:28

Yes, of course, and and that hasn't been easy because unfortunately I found out that mediums, the community of mediums, is uh a very special type of community, and there is a lot of jealousy going on there and competition, and mediumship is anything but competition, it should be about cooperation with other mediums and cooperation with the other world, and you know there's no place for competition, but sometimes you you get to deal with mediums who feel in a way threatened by you and who are afraid that you are taking away part of their work, so they they will say the most horrible and vile things to you, and yes, then you have to develop a very thick skin and rise above it, and just think that, well, this is one of the the less pleasant sides of mediumship that you just have to accept and then get on with the job, you know.

Charlie Kelly Medium 27:24

Well, there's it's it's very sad, isn't it? Because ultimately in mediumship, what are we what are we trying to do here? We're trying to be channels for the spirit world. Who is this really all about? Well, it's about the spirit world, isn't it? And we need to be working in unison in partnership with fluidity to to do to do that because mediumship, even where it is right now, is you know, it needs as many good mediums working together to you know advance uh this art form, not be working against one another. But I can understand why, you know, it it promotes the ego because even I guess the very act of standing on a platform doing it, it can I guess it can breed that in some people, and it's sad because you know it shouldn't be like that, especially in you know, when we all know that love is the only thing that exists, you know, and in other places what we need to go get at is our big old floodlight torch and shine it in the darkness.

— Judgment, criticism & developing thick skin

Charlie Kelly Medium 28:20

But what I realized, Kitty, a long time ago, even in the sales world, was cream rises to the top, and not everybody likes that. So, you know, so much of your work has been about you know healing, and I I know that so much of what you're doing now is about helping even other people who are wanting to unfold their mediumship, who are on their own healing journey. So talk to me about some of the lessons that you try and teach people early on in mediumship when coming and looking at this and wanting to feel that connection with the other world.

SPEAKER_00 28:54

Yeah, well, what I try to teach is I try to help and build their confidence because that is one of the you know the things that everybody is confronted with. As soon as you set foot on the the path of mediumship, you're confronted with your own, your fears, your self-doubts, and you have to deal with those. And that's not an easy thing because nobody has ever taught us to work with the the inner senses. So you really have to not give up and just do the best that you can without being too focused on the end result. So I think that the psychological part of mediumistic development is very important, and we need to really uh spend some time working on that. And I can tell you that your fears and your self-doubt will never completely leave you. But as time goes on and you persevere, it will become less and less, which will help you to build your confidence and to do the work. But it's one of the sacrifices we have to make to overcome certain things within ourselves in order to become a medium

— Why mediums struggle with self-doubt

SPEAKER_00 30:00

that is really, you know, versatile and powerful channel for the other world.

Charlie Kelly Medium 30:06

And I think it self-doubt, I think it can creep up in all aspects of our life. But I think in mediumship in particular, mediumship is so in exposing because it's exposing every element of you, you know, when you're standing up there or sitting down trying to bring someone's loved one through, you know, you're feeling the pressure there of the act of doing and being the channel, you're feeling the sitter's expectations. You're probably, you know, if you're anything like me, I'm a little bit of a papal pleaser. I want to do a good job, so I'm also trying to do a good job because I want the teacher to see me as well. You know, there's lots of things going on there, and you know, that can set in. And it it no one's journey in anything is you know an upwards roller coaster at all times. It's it takes time, but we're very quick as human beings to look at someone who's doing a good job and just to look at the place they're at now and not the journey where they've had to go to get there. And we're very quick to do that, it's the ego, it tricks us, doesn't it?

SPEAKER_00 31:04

Of course, of course it does, and and and we are results-oriented, so we want to have good results, and that puts us under pressure. But what in in a way, mediumship is a very lonely pass because you have to deal with your own stumbling blocks that you will find on your past. But we mustn't underestimate the support and the love that we get from the other world, you see, because when you are standing on the platform, you're not there only by yourself, they are there to help you and help you get through every step of the way. And that is because they want you to be successful, because you are their voice in this world, you see, so you get all the help that you need, and you must learn to trust not just yourself and your own energies, but also to trust your friends in the other world that will make it happen.

Charlie Kelly Medium 31:55

Well, there's a yes, there's there's a lot more going on than meets the eye, especially for people that maybe aren't in you know, place of developing their mediumship at the moment. In the show notes, I was reading before we came on that there were two experiences that you mentioned that kind of proved to you that spirit knows exactly who we are. Yes, and I was very intrigued to ask you about that.

SPEAKER_00 32:21

Well, I can tell you that years ago I was at Kingswell's, you know, that was a spiritual center led by my dear friend Eileen Davies, and she had really beautifully decorated the workroom there. And one morning I was sitting there on my own and just admiring the room, and you know, as you are alone and you you relax a bit, then certain thoughts come into your mind, and I just thought to myself, I wonder exactly what people will be here 100 years from now in this room. And then I was thinking of a particular problem I was having with my mediumship and how to solve that. Now, the same day in the afternoon, Eileen did a wonderful trance demonstration for the students, and I was attending it as well. And it was Shen Lung who was speaking, who is one of her controls, a very wise uh Chinese gentleman. And I was just listening to his beautiful words, and all of a sudden he said, and 100 years from now, there will be totally different people in this room. So I was so astonished because he was repeating verbatim the very thought I had had in that same room in the morning, and then he also went on to address my problem, but not in a personal way, but in a more general way, so that I knew where to look for an answer, you know, so I knew what to do. And that was such an eye-opener because I felt that they really know who we are and you know what we're thinking. They are aware of our thoughts. And now I know that. But that was the first time that I became so aware of that. And on another occasion, it was Ula, who is also one of Eileen's controls, who in one of her addresses she started to mention all the topics and all the titles that I was using in my work, and she wove it into a beautiful pattern so that everybody could enjoy her talk and get something from it. But I knew that she was doing that deliberately to show me I know what you're doing with your mediumship, I know everything you teach as a teaching medium, and again, that was confirmation that they are so close and that they know exactly who we are and what we do. And I find that, yeah, that that that realization made the spirit world feel much closer to me than before.

Charlie Kelly Medium 34:52

I can imagine so, and it's you know, I've I've never had proof of it, but my belief is obviously in the spirit, I say obviously in the spirit world, thoughts are telepathic. And I believe that the spirit world, like you said, can see all of our consciousness. I think it's our eyes down here as human beings that lie to us, and I think depending on how awaken we are to what life really is. I think that that's I believe when we go back to the other world, it's you when we then see the illusion of what we were doing down here. I believe that's what it's like. Your experience when you go back is all about how awaken you are. And I know I'm doing a rubbish job at explaining that, Kitty, but I know where I'll go with that. But it's interesting, it's very interesting, and to have it proven to you in such a way. I can imagine that made the spirit world feel particularly close because sometimes they can feel far away. And I used to believe at the start, but I was trying to connect with something that is higher, but you know, we're tuning into the spirit world that are all around us, aren't we?

SPEAKER_00 35:56

Yes, exactly. They are much closer than we think they are, and so supportive and so helpful. And I have found that they will never let us down and that they do listen to us. So I feel it is very helpful as a medium to talk to your spirit team, even if you don't know who they really are, and that doesn't really matter, you know, as long as you know that they are beings of light who are uh drawn to you for a reason, but you can discuss your problems with them, and and you can ask how to deal with the problems in your mediumship or in your life, if there is a really you know a problem there that you feel you're you're stuck with, and and I find that they will listen to you and they will try to find a way to get around your problems and to help you. So so that is really, really wonderful. We we we must learn to trust and and accept and know that yes, they are very, very close to us, you know, and I find it a very comforting thought.

Charlie Kelly Medium 36:56

I do. I've I've been speaking to my spirit team now for a good few years, you know. So I've sometimes I want to make sure that was looking, or they're gonna think I'm barking mad, people think I'm mad enough. But I do, and I've started realizing over the last few years that I've had a few signs and spirit help off the back of asking them as well. And uh the spirit world seems to know with me that the

— Building a relationship with your spirit team

Charlie Kelly Medium 37:20

one way to get my attention is to use humour. If you put a sign in something that's very funny, that always grabs my attention a lot. But you know, I think it's important then it's about making time for your spirit team and you know, showing them that you know they're there and you know, so on and so on. And it's all about building that relationship with them, isn't it? And I guess that's that relationship never ends.

SPEAKER_00 37:43

No, it it never does, it never does, and it's I think it is an added bonus to your life if you know about the other world and how close they are and how they constantly try to you know inspire us and give us a little nudge and and try to move us in the right direction. It's it's a comforting thought, and yeah, and the more you talk to them and the more you make your spirit friends part of your daily life by just saying hello friends, how are you? You know, and and what is going on, and and just express your thoughts, you know, that brings them closer, that creates a bond of friendship and mutual trust and respect. Yeah, I find that very, very helpful and loving.

Charlie Kelly Medium 38:28

And it doesn't need to be, you know, a lot. And at the beginning, if you're coming into this at a very early point in your development or with the spirit world, you know, you're probably going to be thinking, Well, how do I know if you know I'm being heard or whatever? But I work on the assumption that the spirit world is far much more intelligent than we are, you know, they aren't listening. And it always amazes me when you go to do mediumship, never once have I gone and said, who's there and no one's there? You know, it's not like I'm got an empty telephone or whatever. There's always someone there. And I think to myself, how does that, you know, how does that work? That instantaneous thought and it's there. And it shows the power of thoughts, doesn't it? And I think a lot of the time we don't realize how powerful our thoughts really are.

SPEAKER_00 39:10

Oh, yes, that's so true. And you see, the spirit people live in a world of thought. Our world is built on meta, you know. We have a uh we live in a world of meta, but the spirit world is a world where thoughts are instantaneous. They uh you can create things there with your thoughts. So there is a very fast communication going on in that world, but they are also very quick to receive our thoughts and and to respond to them. So to them, it is second nature. And I believe that we can't hide anything from them because they know exactly who we are, they they know our our errors, you know. They they know we're not flawless, but they they look through that. They they don't judge us, they look at us through the eyes of love and not with judgment. And yeah, so so we we can always be close just by expressing our thoughts, but they know exactly what we do to become a better person and a better human being. And if you have the right intentions, I am fully convinced that you get all the help you need from the spirit world in your daily life and also in your your spiritual life, in your mediumship. You know, they they will help you, but it's not always it it it will usually take some time before you you realize that that is the case, that they are so loyal to you and that they will do anything within your power to help you in whatever we make our lives a lot harder than we need to make our lives, don't we, at times?

Charlie Kelly Medium 40:42

And yes, the amount of times I've been through some things in my life and I've not even thought to ask the spirit well because I'm so used to a wired that I have to find the answers to all of life's woes. And you know, they are there to help. And you know, again, a lot of the time it's about just giving them that time, you know, to sit, be quiet, to allow them to come in. But even as my mediumship development goes on, I realise these days, you know, I don't need to be sitting there in my special chair with my special fan blowing on me to have a relationship with the spirit world. I can access them anytime I want by just turning my attention to them. But we overcomplicate it at the beginning in our development, don't we?

SPEAKER_00 41:23

Absolutely. And what I also feel is that you have to live your life to the full in this world because you are a spirit incarnate for a reason. So you have to really uh embrace physical life in all its aspects and have some fun and enjoy yourselves, and that's what your friends in the other world want you to do. They don't want you to go through life with an attitude of being holier than thou, they just want you to be the best that you can possibly be. Yes, I mean, being a medium doesn't mean that you have to be very solemn. Uh, you know, you're human and you're you're not soulless, so you can make mistakes, and there will be days that you just, you know, that your mediumship is killing you, that you that you get fed up with all the problems in your life, and that you just can't be spiritual for a while. And that's okay. And they they won't judge you because of that, you see. So we're well.

Charlie Kelly Medium 42:19

I used to think in the early days, I used to think to myself, am I whiter than white enough to be a medium? I used to think, oh, would the spirit world want to work with me knowing that you know, had too too many drinks on a Thursday night and didn't go into my company on a Friday? Am I gonna be banished from the the realms of communication? But you laugh because you think, oh god, you know that what if the spirit world could see me now? What are they gonna think?

SPEAKER_00 42:42

Well, they will they will think that you are an ordinary human being and it's quite all right to enjoy yourself and to let your hair down every now and then. So don't worry about that. Just enjoy your life, you know.

Charlie Kelly Medium 42:55

I agree, I agree. So, would you like to leave us on a final thought today? It's been lovely, lovely, lovely to talk to you. And thank you for coming on.

SPEAKER_00 43:08

Oh, thank you, thank you. Well, leave you on a final note. Well, if I can say anything at all to the the mediums of today, whether you are practicing or developing well, and in a way, we are always developing, aren't we?

Charlie Kelly Medium 43:23

Oh, we are.

SPEAKER_00 43:24

Yes, I mean, development is ongoing, it never stops. But that is to to really you know work on your self-esteem as a human being and build your self-approval. You don't need anybody else's approval from anybody. I mean, who cares what others think of you in the end? You know, it's none of their business, it's none of your business. The only thing that matters is that you can approve of yourself because you know you are a good person with you know the errors that you make, because we're not perfect, but you have the right intentions, you are doing the work that you feel is the work that you should be doing, that comes from the heart. And yeah, self-approval and self-esteem are very important, and and you should work on that more than anything else. And I think that will pull you through most of life's trials and tribulations.

Charlie Kelly Medium 44:22

We can waste so much time in our lives worrying about what other people think, so much so that we cannot even get started in our lives with things that we want to do, aspirations, dreams, jobs, because we worry what other people will think. And oh, you know, the amount of time and energy I've wasted in my life worrying about what other people think. These days I am much more, you know, I don't care. I do, that's the problem. But you know, I'm getting better at that now. I I'm less bothered by it, and it's and you must because at the end of the day, you can't change what someone thinks about you, you can't change someone's mind, and you know, you don't you'll never even know what someone is uh thinking, even if someone tells you what they're thinking, are they even thinking that? You know, it's so why waste so much time worrying about it?

SPEAKER_00 45:08

Exactly, exactly. That's really what it's all about, you see. And and I feel that as long as you have the right intentions and you try to help others and be a good person, well, then I think you've done a good job. And I I I hope that we can all say that at the end of our lives, you know, I did my best, I did try, and I have the right intentions. I I try to help others.

Charlie Kelly Medium 45:32

I agree.

SPEAKER_00 45:33

You can't do more than that, can you?

Charlie Kelly Medium 45:35

Well, no, and all you can do is try your best, and you know, and I think um, you know, be your own biggest cheerleader at the end of the day because uh sometimes no one else is gonna be, and that's what you need to need to be. Um, and that's what I try and be with myself.

SPEAKER_01 45:51

Yeah, very good.

Charlie Kelly Medium 45:52

Kitty, thank you for coming on to the soul sink.

SPEAKER_00 45:55

You're welcome, you're welcome, and thank you for having me. It was a pleasure, and I wish you lots of success with your soul sink. Okay.

Charlie Kelly Medium 46:06

Now, my darlings, I would like to leave you on some final thoughts. Now, your light might make some people feel uncomfortable, but that doesn't automatically mean you're too bright, my dear. Sometimes it just means they've been sitting in the dark a bit too long themselves. Your success might make other people uncomfortable and wince because it forces them to confront the excuses they've been telling themselves. Your boundaries might make people feel uncomfortable, especially the people who've benefited from you having none. Stop worrying so much about what other people think. Most people are too busy worrying about themselves and what everyone thinks of them. And let's be honest, even if you've lived a perfect life, anyway, what's that? Someone would still have a problem with you. We can't change people's other minds. Live your full potential, shine brightly. Until next time, goodbye.